Allams has closed, and we understand from the Dorking Advertiser that a planning application is about to be submitted - however, we can't seem to find anything on the MVDC planning portal yet.
Lidl
WE generally don't mind the lidl proposal (subject to some conditions being ironed out). It revitalises an existing (much neglected) site and offers a different 'warehouse' approach to low cost food that the town doesn't currently have. It's quite small, and is an alternative for those who think that Waitrose is too expensive to service everyone. We understand that a planning application is imminent.
Items still under discussion are: widening the footpath/ residents parking, what will they do about the 150 year old flint wall, and the entrance/exit, which Surrey highways would like to be placed North of Vincent Road so that people can't cut through. Could discuss the possibility of an entrance and a separate exit. STEVE has said that they were very open, and happy to meet with us to discuss any concerns.
Trilogy plans for St Martin's walk
This seems to look the better of the two plans for St Martins Walk on the surface. No news yet on when a planning application is to submitted.
Update (27th Mar 2011)
Several people asked us for advice on what they should say in the 31 questions in the council's consultation. We have included some ideas which may get you thinking below. The deadline for submissions is Fri 8th April.
Firstly you don't have to answer every question. You can answer as many as you like.
Secondly you can answer more than once to each question. If you think of something else to say then send the council another response, or submit another response to a question. There is no limit on how many times you can answer a question - well, within reason!
The consultation can be found at http://molevalley.limehouse.co.uk/portal/dtcaap/dtdp2011/dtaap11. The council should also be able to provide you with a paper copy of the consultation document.
You can either respond to this online (you need to register and get a username and password) or send your comments to ldf@molevalley.gov.uk or send your written comments to Planning Policy Team, Mole Valley District Council, Pippbrook, Dorking, Surrey, RH4 1SJ.
We think the most important questions are 1, 4, 6, 7, 8 and 9. 10 about markets is also important. Other people may have different priorities of course. The other questions are important but move away from our core concern of retail in the town - therefore we make no comment on them.
The single most important question if Question 1 as the enormous figure of 3100 m2 supermarket space which was recommended by a consultant based upon data from 4 years ago underpins the whole consultation.
Feel free to use our suggestions below as ideas for your own response, or if you agree with it then make the same submission.
Question 1
> We welcome your comments on the scope of the new research that has been undertaken or is planned. Do you think any further studies / information is required?
Our belief is that the Retail Impact Assessment undertaken on behalf of the Council by consultants Strategic Perspectives accepted the figure of 3100 without questioning the fact that it was based upon very old data and of a small sample of people. This survey needs to be done with a larger sample of people and using recent data as shopping patterns have changed since 2007, with the Internet much more prevalent than it was then for example.
Question Covering Issues 2 & 3
> We welcome your comments on the various boundaries proposed.
We do not have any comments.
Question 4
> We welcome any further comments you may have on the general issues in relation to convenience floorspace in the town.
We do not agree with the figure of 3,100sqm as it is based upon a small amount of out of date data (early 2007, just 123 people). For building projects of this magnitude to be approved, the very least the town deserves is an accurate survey of peoples' shopping patterns.
Even the Roger Tym reports suggests that most people in Dorking and the surrounding area actually shop in the area, despite the fact that many of them may well work outside of Dorking and may actually prefer to shop outside the town anyway as it is more convenient for them to do so.
In the absence of a detailed and up to date survey and given the uncertainty over the figure of 3,100sqm it would be better to err on the side of caution before granting planning permission to a supermarket near the upper limit of the Roger Tym report.
Question 5
> We welcome any comments on the general issues in relation to comparison floorspace in the town. Do you agree with the outcomes of the further work undertaken in testing the impact of increases in such floorspace on the town centre?
Our comments are the same as for question 4 as the same out of date small survey was used for the comparison floorspace figure.
Question 6
> We welcome your comments on the potential development of the Waitrose site.
Of the four sites this would appear to be the best, although detailed plans are not available at this stage. We have concerns over the traffic implications to the town of this scheme especially if major changes are made such as new traffic lights or altering the road flow.
Other issues you may wish to comment on include:
Car parking should be free for 2 hours plus to encourage people to use rest of the town.
There should be a limit on the number of non-food products to avoid squeezing independent stores in the town.
Effect on the town during the constriction period,
Question 7
> We welcome your comments on the potential development of the land to the Rear of St Martin's Walk.
Access via Mill Lane is totally unsuitable for a large supermarket on this location.
Other issues you may wish to comment on include:
Car parking should be free for 2 hours plus to encourage people to use rest of the town.
There should be a limit on the number of non-food products to avoid squeezing independent stores in the town.
Effect on the town during the constriction period,
Question 8
> We welcome your comments on the potential development of the land at Station Road / Curtis Road.
This site is not suitable as it is too far from the rest of the town centre and the traffic implications make it too large
Other issues you may wish to comment on include:
Car parking
There should be a limit on the number of non-food products to avoid squeezing independent stores in the town.
Effect on the town during the constriction period,
Question 9
> We welcome your comments on the potential development of the land at Vincent Works.
This site is not suitable as it is too far from the rest of the town centre
Other issues you may wish to comment on include:
Traffic implications
Question 10
> We welcome your comments on the issues in relation to the markets. Do you think anything else could be done to support the markets?
The town's markets should be more frequent and prominent. There should be a market on a Saturday so people who don't work in Dorking have access to it.
The Sunday market at the station car park now provides a brilliant butcher, fishmonger, baker, cheese merchant, fresh local eggs, a large fruit and vegetable stall, as well as cosmetics, toiletries and pet food. In fine weather this market is so well attended that customers queue for up to half an hour just to park. This proves that market commerce works in Dorking if only it is visible to the customers. If these stalls were situated in the middle of our town during the week and on a Saturday the footfall would be greatly increased.
People who lose their jobs are able to start small businesses in their kitchens or gardens knowing that there is a local arena in which to sell their produce. For a lot of these people a shop would be out of the question financially, but a market stall is manageable. Dorking already has Food Float, a community interest company staffed by volunteers which sells these products very successfully on the High Street. They would like to expand their range, and have a number of very local producers interested in supplying, but on the High Street there is no available space. A pattissiere also locates his stall on the High Street, and a number of other people would be very interested in having a Saturday stall in this location. These stalls attract a lot of passing trade, and now have a firm base of regular customers. If only this trading model could be expanded on the High Street to lift the local economy. In an age of austerity the market is very democratic - it allows anyone to become an entrepreneur.
Question 11-21
> We welcome your comments on the general issues in relation to the various development proposals for the town (In making your comments please clearly state which site you are referring to).
No comments
Question 22
> We welcome your comments on the general issues in relation to business and the town centre in particular the conclusions of the Dorking Industrial and Commercial Land Assessment work.
No comments
Question 23-26
> We welcome your comments on the work so far. Are there particular environmental improvements you would like to see in relation to any of the development sites identified?
No comments
Question 27-31
> We welcome your comments on the traffic management issues, in particular the work undertaken so far on the proposed changes to the road network.
No comments
Update (21st Mar 2011)
There are just 18 days to go in the council's consultation for the plans for Dorking for the next 15 years. Yet less than 10 people have answered most of the questions, and some of the responses so far have been very brief or just agree with what is proposed,
The consultation can be found at molevalley.limehouse.co.uk. The council should also be able to provide you with a paper copy of this document.
You can either respond to this online or send your comments to LDF@Molevalley.gov.uk or send your written comments to Planning Policy Team, Mole Valley District Council, Pippbrook, Dorking, Surrey, RH4 1SJ.
Here are the questions. You can answer as few or as many as you like. You will need to refer to the document in order to be able to answer most of them, but it gives you an idea of the scope of what the consultation covers.
This is your last chance for 15 years to shape the future of the council's policies for the town!
Question 1
We welcome your comments on the scope of the new research that has been undertaken or is planned. Do you think any further studies / information is required?
Question Covering Issues 2 & 3
We welcome your comments on the various boundaries proposed.
Question 4
We welcome any further comments you may have on the general issues in relation to convenience floorspace in the town.
Question 5
We welcome any comments on the general issues in relation to comparison floorspace in the town. Do you agree with the outcomes of the further work undertaken in testing the impact of increases in such floorspace on the town centre?
Question 6
We welcome your comments on the potential development of the Waitrose site.
Question 7
We welcome your comments on the potential development of the land to the Rear of St Martin's Walk.
Question 8
We welcome your comments on the potential development of the land at Station Road / Curtis Road.
Question 9
We welcome your comments on the potential development of the land at Vincent Works.
Question 10
We welcome your comments on the issues in relation to the markets. Do you think anything else could be done to support the markets?
Question 11-21
We welcome your comments on the general issues in relation to the various development proposals for the town (In making your comments please clearly state which site you are referring to).
Question 22
We welcome your comments on the general issues in relation to business and the town centre in particular the conclusions of the Dorking Industrial and Commercial Land Assessment work.
Question 23-26
We welcome your comments on the work so far. Are there particular environmental improvements you would like to see in relation to any of the development sites identified?
Question 27-31
We welcome your comments on the traffic management issues, in particular the work undertaken so far on the proposed changes to the road network.
Update (12th Mar 2011)
Mole Valley District Council (MVDC) have responded to comments made by Dorking SOS about the figure of 3100 m2 which was recommended by the retail consultants Roger Tym & Partners (RTP) for the additional amount of supermarket floorspace which the town could support. MVDC have written a briefing explaining the history of how this figure was arrived at.
The briefing can be found: here (scroll down to the bottom and select "How the need for additional convenience goods floorspace in Dorking was established [35kb]").
We have a number of issues with the way the RTP arrived at this figure. However one of our principle problems with it is that the figure of 3100 m2 is directly calculated from a survey of just 123 people made in early 2007 from Dorking and the surrounding villages. There have been several updates to the RTP report since that time but the underlying survey data have never been redone. We believe that the survey is too small and too old.
The council's briefing confirms that the 2007 survey data has continued to be used in subsequent reports, although some data such as population forecasts and per capita expenditure have been updated. These are used in some of the calculations, but are very much secondary.
However the council's briefing does provide a description of what the council are trying to achieve by this consultation, and we encourage you to both read it and answer the consultation.
The consultation can be found at molevalley.limehouse.co.uk. You can either respond to this online or send your comments to ldf@molevalley.gov.uk or send your written comments to Planning Policy Team, Mole Valley District Council, Pippbrook, Dorking, Surrey, RH4 1SJ.
You may have seen an article in the Dorking Advertiser this week about people being allowed to vote multiple times in the council's poll for where they would prefer a new supermarket to be built. This poll, flawed as it is, we encourage you to enter, and can be found at:
You are only allowed to enter once per IP address, but that does not stop you entering from locations other than home such as your work computer or your mobile phone.
Update (27th Feb 2011)
Did you know that Mole Valley's figure of 3100 m2 of additional supermarket space required ultimately has been calculated from a telephone survey of just 123 people made in 2007?
Answers from just 123 people were used to calculate shopping patterns in an area covering Dorking, Westcott, North and South Holmwood and numerous nearby villages.
Of those 123 people (representing just 0.5% of a population of 24,814) only 39 actually did their main supermarket shopping outside of Dorking 4 years ago, and 6 used the Internet for their shopping.
Online sample size calculators used by Dorking SOS have suggested that the figure of 123 was far too small even if it was up to date, and that the survey should have been more like 400 people to get an accuracy of ±5%.
The survey was done during March and April 2007 and included in a report published in November of that year by Roger Tym & Partners. The report has formed the basis of the initial recommendation by the retail consultants as to the amount of floor space required, and has been used in follow up reports since that time.
The current figure of 3100 m2 which is quoted by Mole Valley District Council in their Dorking Town Area Action Plan is currently the subject of two questions in the latest consultation which can be seen at http://molevalley.limehouse.co.uk/portal/dtcaap/dtdp2011/dtaap11. This figure has been directly calculated from the responses of those 123 people in 2007.
The relevant question in Mole Valley's current consultation, which they are asking for feedback from, are as follows, with our proposed responses it italics:
Q1. (following section 2.27)
"We welcome your comments on the scope of the new research that has been undertaken or is planned. Do you think any further studies / information is required?"
Our belief is that the Retail Impact Assessment undertaken on behalf of the Council by consultants Strategic Perspectives accepted the figure of 3100 without questioning the fact that it was based upon very old data and of a small sample of people. This survey needs to be done with a larger sample of people and using recent data as shopping patterns have changed since 2007, with the Internet much more prevalent than it was then for example.
Q4. (following section 4.5)
"We asked whether you agreed that up to 3,100sqm (net sales) of additional convenience floorspace should be planned for in Dorking? .....We welcome your comments (Convenience goods floorspace - general):"
We do not agree with this figure as it is based upon a small amount of out of date data. For building projects of this magnitude to be approved, the very least the town deserves is an accurate survey of peoples' shopping patterns.
Even the Roger Tym reports suggests that most people in Dorking and the surrounding area actually shop in the town, despite the fact that many of them may well work outside of Dorking and may actually prefer to shop outside the town anyway as it is more convenient for them to do so.
Please try and respond to the consultation at http://molevalley.limehouse.co.uk/portal/dtcaap/dtdp2011/dtaap11 or e-mail LDF@Molevalley.gov.uk with your comments
Find us at @DorkingSOS on Twitter
Update (19th Feb 2011)
We are fighting supermarket expansion on several fronts. Here's the latest on the situation.
Overall
Most of the stores suffer from the problem that they are too large for the town. When supermarkets get significantly larger than the two stores currently in Dorking then they start being able to sell significant amounts of non-food items which will put them in competition with many of the smaller retailers currently operating in Dorking. The danger is that Dorking will lose many of the small, independent shops which are some of the most attractive features in the high street.
The other danger is traffic. Dorking's road system is already at or close to capacity at busy times. Having to accommodate new junctions to allow entrance and exit to large shops will only make the situation worse and could drive people away from Dorking
We believe that no supermarket in Dorking should compromise either the traffic situation or the smaller retailers operating in the town. One or more smaller supermarkets selling food items could however be incorporated into the town.
MVDC have asked for feedback on the 4 sites.
Sainsbury's, St Martins Walk
Plus points: close to the town centre
Minus points: traffic, too large, does not integrate with the rest of shops
Morrisons, Station/Curtis Road
Plus points: none
Minus points: traffic, too large, plan to sell non-food items, harm local economy by taking several employers from the area, take 18 months to build
Waitrose, Junction Road
- Plus points: integrates with rest of the town, plan to sell only food
- Minus points: traffic, too large, plan to have coffee, only 2 hours free parking
Lidl, Vincent Lane
- Plus points: a smaller store discount store, no great changes to traffic system needed (but details are sketchy)
- Minus points: no details known
What to do next
Respond to the MVDC consultation. Look for the item called "Supermarket Poll".
It's important to vote for all 4 choices and rank them in order, even if you do not support any of them!
We suggest voting as follows
1. Waitrose
2. Vincent Lane
3. St Martins Walk
4. Station/Curtis Road
Get involved. There is a march in Dorking on Saturday 26th February against the Morrisons supermarket in Station/Curtis Road. Posters and leaflets are also available to stick outside your house, and there is a petition against the Morrisons store. To find out more about posters, the march or petition e-mail saynototrafficchaos@gmail.com or call 07737 569261.
Dorking SOS also needs more active campaigners with the fight against these stores in the coming weeks and months. Can you help?
Fight on Several Fronts (23rd Jan 2011)
Dorking is now faced with three new supermarkets, plus one massive enlargement to an existing one (Waitrose). The three new supermarkets, which have yet to have planning applications submitted but soon will are:
- a Morrisons in Curtis Road
- a Sainsbury's in St Martin's Walk
- a Lidl store in Vincent Lane and an extension of Waitrose in South Street.
- Waitrose to increase in size from its current 9,000 sq ft to 23,700 sq ft with increased car parking provision in a basement car park, and changes to the traffic flow in Junction Road.
An exhibition detailing plans for the Morrisons store will be held at Dorking Halls on Friday, January 28 from 3pm-6pm, and Saturday, January 29 from 10.30am-3.30pm, with further consultations to follow over the coming weeks.
Waitrose are to have a public exhibition on Friday 4 February 10am - 8pm and Saturday 5 February 10am - 4pm regarding their proposals at 1 Junction Road.
Mole Valley District Council are to have an on-line consultation about the different options for that town starting on February 11th. This can be done on their planning portal (which is not easy to use) at http://molevalley-consult.limehouse.co.uk/portal. You should get a leaflet soon describing this if you live in Dorking.
You can also e-mail the council at ldf@molevalley.gov.uk or send your written comments to Planning Policy Team, Mole Valley District Council, Pippbrook, Dorking, Surrey, RH4 1SJ
Ashtead Tesco Application Granted (1st Sep 2010)
The Tesco application for a new supermarket in Ashtead has been given the go-ahead following the public enquiry. Following a 10-day public hearing planning inspector Nicholas Hammans decided to pass the second, smaller, plan on appeal.
Ashtead Tesco Public Enquiry (1st Aug 2010)
This week Dorking SOS's Rob Sedgwick spoke at the Public Enquiry into the two supermarket applications by Tesco in Ashtead. Rob specifically spoke about the 2007 report by Roger Tym & Partners and its implications for Ashtead. You can read Rob's submission here.
Sainsbury's Want Two Shops (29th Mar 2010)
Now Sainsbury's have come forward as probable beneficiaries of the proposed new supermarket in Dorking, it's time to reflect on the madness of having the same company owning two shops in Dorking (as they want to keep their existing store).
We already know that all the proposed locations are inappropriate because of the traffic situation in the town and that the size of the proposed new store is wholly unacceptable for a town the size of Dorking. However to remove any notional competition that a new store would bring makes it even more of a mockery, given that many of the business currently in business in Dorking are likely to disappear forever.
Dorking would inevitably become a town dominated by just one large retailer.
What we'd like to see instead is the town's two existing supermarkets expanded and the introduction of more frequent and prominent markets in the town to expand the choice of foods available to the people of Dorking. If there has to be a new supermarket in the town then perhaps a small "metro" store located at the east end of Dorking would be more appropriate than what the council are suggesting.
Dorking Town Area Action Plan (13th Mar 2010)
The council have agreed that to make it easier for people to respond to their consultation on the future of Dorking (called the Dorking Town Area Action Plan), they will now accept comments by e-mail.
Comments should be sent to LDF@Molevalley.gov.uk.
Some huge decisions are being made by council officials which will have a massive impact on our town for decades to come, and perhaps for ever. Don't let them go ahead without your views being heard!
In order to make it as easy as possible to respond to the consultation, which we are concerned the council are trying to push through with most of the 17,000+ people who live in Dorking even being aware of it, we have produced a list of questions which are contained in the consultation.
If you wish to look at a copy of the consultation you can find it here.
You can also find on this site:
A list of the questions in the consultation here.
Suggestions on how to respond to what we regard as the key questions here.
Finally if you are still finding it too difficult to respond to the consultation please let the council know rather than not bothering.
Here's how you can contact the council.
E-mail: ldf@molevalley.gov.uk
Telephone: 01306 885001
Post: Planning Policy Team, Mole Valley District Council, Pippbrook, Dorking, Surrey, RH4 1SJ
In person: The Council Offices, Pippbrook, Dorking and Leatherhead Help Shop, High Street, Leatherhead
Dorking Town Area Action Plan (28th Feb 2010)
Did you know that plans for how Dorking Town centre is to change over the next 15 years are currently being finalised, and that YOU can have a say in the matter?
Do you know how many members of the public have currently had any input to the process with just a month of the consultation left to run? Not a single one, at the time of writing. That's right: of the 17,000+ people who live in Dorking not even one has responded to the council's questions.
Some huge decisions are being made by council officials which will have a massive impact on our town for decades to come, and perhaps for ever. Many of those making the decisions do not even live in Dorking and will be personally unaffected by the decisions they are making. Others are likely to be influenced by the council's own needs rather than those of the town and its people.
Are you prepared to let the council make these decisions without you having a say in the matter?
Here's some of the things which the council are currently proposing to do, or are under consideration:
Build an additional 3,100 sqm of supermarket provision somewhere in the town. That's bigger than Tescos in Leatherhead, and would be an 80% increase on what we currently have in the town. They won't tell us at this stage where they want to put the supermarket (or even whether there would be one big supermarket or several smaller ones).
Build an additional 2,700 sqm of non-supermarket floorspace somewhere in the town. That's around the size of Sainsbury's in Leatherhead, except it's likely that the council envisage this to comprise of several units rather than one big shop.
They have looked into expanding the Waitrose and Sainsbury's stores in the town, and doubling the size of Waitrose. However the council are of the view that this alone would not be enough to meet the need to the people of Dorking. The council would also not benefit financially from increasing the size of either store.
Sell council land in Curtis Road and/or Vincent Lane to allow a new supermarket to be built out of the town centre.
Develop the area behind St Martin's Walk for an additional shopping area or a new supermarket, including the site of the Malthouse. This is the site where Thornfield and Sainsbury's tried to develop two years ago.
Move the town's markets.
Move the council's offices out of Pippbrook, and use the site for housing or possible supermarket provision.
Make several changes to the Town's traffic system including reversing the flow in Junction Road and widening Vincent Lane.
Move the town's police station from Moore Road.
Remove the magistrates' court and use the site for another purpose, possibly housing.
Move the town's library and use the site for another purpose, possibly housing.
Use land at Dene Street, Tutts Garage, Vincent Walk and the rear of the White Horse Hotel for new developments, most likely housing.
There are of course several things which are not included in the plans which many people might like to see including a Residents Parking Scheme and a commitment to improve the traffic flow at Pump Corner.
We believe that most if not all of these issues affect every single person living in the town and many more people will have strong views on these issues than are currently responding to the council's consultations (which as we have said is none at all at present).
In particular we have concerns with the enormous proposals for additional supermarket and non-supermarket space in the town. If built this would have profound implications for the town's traffic system, jobs and local economy.
Many local shops would undoubtedly be threatened by enormous new supermarkets in the town. So would the local economy. Studies have shown that only 5% of money spent in supermarkets is retained the local area - the rest is siphoned out of the town. This compares with local shops which can return as much 50% of their income to the local economy. Local shops are far more likely to use goods and services within the town for their business than a national retailer would.
With so many shops currently standing empty does the town really require yet more shops? The size, structure and location of Dorking would suggest to us that it needs to emphasise its differences to other nearby towns rather than present a pale imitation of the larger centres which surround us.
Looking at many of the proposals the council's main objective seems to be to make as much money as possible for the district council by selling land and entering into lucrative deals with supermarket developers. Has sufficient thought been given into what the people of Dorking really want and need, rather than the council's exchequer?
Whether you agree with our concerns or not, surely the fact that so few people in Dorking are contributing to the council's plans cannot be right.
If you would like to see the plans online you can go to the MVDC LDF
You can comment on the plans online if you go to the consultation portal.
You'll need to register to add comments to the portal site, and look for the coloured sections in the document where comments can be entered after you've registered.
There's also a newsletter which tells you a bit more:
The newsletter contains details of how to make your comments on paper, but you will need to cross reference the plans to get the section numbers you would like to comment on.
Finally if you are finding it too difficult to respond to the consultation please let the council know rather than not bothering. It would be criminal if the only reason you did not respond was because the council have made it too hard.
Here's how you can contact the council.
E-mail: ldf@molevalley.gov.uk
Telephone: 01306 885001
Post: Planning Policy Team, Mole Valley District Council, Pippbrook, Dorking, Surrey, RH4 1SJ
In person: The Council Offices, Pippbrook, Dorking and Leatherhead Help Shop, High Street, Leatherhead